Thanks again to b3achy for another comprehensive post about Dive! Deeper.
There are 59 Specimen Groups. I’ve listed them grouped by the number of specimen in each group, and then alphabetically by group name within these groups. With the single specimen groups, I also list which levels each of these specimen can be found. These levels were determined by analyzing percentage tables in the game code (view PDF, thanks Pidgeot).
I’ve not included the token values for the groups, since they appear to change, and I can’t determine what changes the values (if by day, by each time you go into a game, or if they are just adjusting them behind the scenes)
Single Specimen Groups (in alphabetical order):
Almost every specimen has a small percentage chance of being seen at any level. Listed here are the most common levels (above a 2% chance) at which these are found. In bold is the level with the highest percentage chance of finding the specimen (above 10% unless noted).
Angelfish – 4, 5, 6, 7
Blue Crab – 2, 3, 4, 5
Clownfish – 4, 5, 6, 7
Dolphin – 2, 5, 6, 7 (4.002%)
Fangly Fish – 12, 13, 14, 15
Humpback Whale – 7, 8, 9 (8.662%), 10
Jacques Cousteau – 13, 14, 15 (5,650%)
Jellyfish – 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12
Kraken – 14, 15 (8.475%)
Lobster – 1, 2, 3
Manatee – 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Marlin – 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 (5.631%)
Merhorse – 12, 13, 14, 15 (5.650%)
Mermaid – 11, 12 (8.921%), 13, 14, 15
Moorish Idol – 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
Octopus – 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Ogrefish – 13, 14, 15
Orca - 3, 4, 5, 6 (3.973%), 7
Sea Anemone – 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Sea Cucumber – 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Sea Horse – 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
Sea Snake – 5, 6, 7, 8
Sea Star (starfish) – 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9
Sea Turtle – 3, 4, 9, 10
Shark - 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 (8.662%), 10, 11
Shrimp – 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Sting Ray – 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Triton - 11, 12 (8.099%), 13, 14, 15
Vampire Squid – 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Viperfish - 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
Two-Specimen Groups:
Big and Beautiful – Humpback Whale, Moorish Idol
Epic Battle – Vampire Squid, Octopus
Horses – Merhorse, Sea Horse
Pinch – Blue Crab, Lobster
Sisters – Fangly Fish, Ogrefish
The Discovery - Jacques Cousteau, Kraken
Undersea Rodeo – Jacques Cousteau, Merhorse
Three-Specimen Groups:
Darkness - Kraken, Orca, Vampire Squid
Hands On – Sea Star, Sea Anemone, Sea Turtle
Humanoid – Mermaid, Triton, Jacque Cousteau
Merfolks – Mermaid, Triton, Merhorse
Mr C Danger Fish – Shark, Marlin, Viperfish
Sea Sick – Angelfish, Fangly Fish, Marlin
The Sting – Jellyfish, Sting Ray, Sea Anemone
Tubular - Sea Snake, Sea Cucumber, Viperfish
Four-Specimen Groups:
Dinner Crowd – Shrimp, Lobster, Blue Crab, Octopus
Fangtastic – Viperfish, Fangly Fish, Ogrefish, Vampire Squid
Jacques – Shark, Jellyfish, Jacques Cousteau, Shrimp
Midsea - Angelfish, Marlin, Sea Snake, Orca
Shore - Lobster, Sea Anemone, Sea Star, Sea Cucumber
Smooth Moves – Shark, Dolphin, Manatee, Marlin
Sweetie - Sea Turtle, Dolphin, Manatee, Sea Horse
Wigglers – Jellyfish, Sting Ray, Sea Anemone, Octopus
Five-Specimen Groups:
Aquarium - Sea Anemone, Clownfish, Sea Horse, Angelfish, Moorish Idol
Shell - Sea Turtle, Lobster, Sea Star, Blue Crab, Shrimp
Smarts - Dolphin, Manatee, Orca, Humpback Whale, Octopus
Spans - Ogrefish, Sea Star, Sea Cucumber, Clownfish, Humpback Whale
Six Specimen Groups:
Blues - Blue Crab, Marlin, Fangly Fish, Humpback Whale, Sea Turtle, Sea Snake
Fins - Clownfish, Angelfish, Marlin, Ogrefish, Fangly Fish, Moorish Idol
Feel free to leave your observations, comments, additions, et cetera in the comments below!
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Thanks SO MUCH b3achy! I’ve had a heck of a week over here, so your posts have given everyone something to read and do while I’ve been busy. Thank you thank you thank you!
First question: does it help to know what level(s) things *may* be found on, or should we only include levels that we *know* the critters are found on? Let me know. :)
Lure,
Your call on posting both the ‘may be found’ and the ‘actually found’ levels or just the ‘actually found’ levels. I suspect the ‘may be found’ levels are actually more representative of the real levels than the ‘actually found’ levels (especially since I didn’t have one for the manatees) of where they will be found, but I didn’t have a large enough sample to confirm it for many of these critters. You’ll see for some like the shrimp, marlin, merhorse, fangly fish and vampire squid, that both the ‘may be found’ and the ‘found’ levels are exactly the same – so it does seem to imply that my observation of the background critters do provide a clue as to which levels they can be found on. However, I understand that it might be too confusing to post both…don’t know…your call. I was wrestling with this too…sometimes I provide more data than necessary…
Maybe some other folks initially looking at this can provide their insights, and you can modify the post accordingly…
Hope you are feeling better. It’s almost the end of the week…so hopefully it will start to be less chaotic for you!
TTFN, ‘beachy’
Thanks for the breakdown b3achy :) I think it’s probably more common to find these specimens on the mentioned levels, but I had an ogrefish today at level 1 which was a shock because I’ve only found it before deeper down. Also noticed if I’m at level 15 for awhile I start getting just about everything.
This is so helpful! Thanks bunches!!
I have a problem with haveing several fish in my holding tank, but only the first 3 ever show, and i already have them but don;t know how to move them from top 3 so that I can place the other fish in my holding tank,
amnrose35: if I recall correctly, you’ll always only see the first 3 placed in, unless you start putting them into specimen groups. You can put specimens from your tank into groups and back again, so you can just move them to a group to get down ‘lower’ in the tank if you need to. The point isn’t really to collect all of the specimens in your tank anyway, the point is to make groups and sell them off for tokens.
As far as I can tell, the only specimen/depth combination that is impossible is Kraken at depth 1. For any other depth, any specimen may appear – although some combinations are exceedingly rare.
At depth 15, all creatures have at least a 0.113% chance of appearing.
I’ve sent Lure an e-mail containing the full list, given the current data available.
Lure has uploaded the list I sent her. The list is accurate to 3 decimals.
Note that they could change the distribution at any time, so keep that in mind.
OMG Pidgeot, you are way more geekier than me…great list!!
Lure, I’d just take the levels from Pidgeot’s list that are maybe >5 or 10% and post those as the most likely levels to find the critters…since I think seeing that many numbers will make some people’s eyes go buggy…lol.
And I humbly bow in the greatness that is Pidgeot…
The game uses weights to make certain creatures more likely than others. For example, at a given depth, a shrimp might have a weight of 100, and a lobster might have a weight of 200 (we assume only these two creatures can appear). In effect, that means the shrimp will appear 100/(100+200) = 1/3 ~ 33.3% of the time, and the lobster will appear 200/(100+200) = 2/3 ~ 66.7% of the time.
Somewhere around 5% seems like a good choice if you just want to list where you’re most likely to get the creature – statistically, that means you’d get it 1 in every 20 games. However, some creatures, like the dolphin and the orca, never have that high of a chance of appearing, so going a bit lower might be a good idea (like 2-3%).
Most creatures will have a weight of 1 for a given depth, though. All of these have no more than 0.113% chance of appearing at that depth. Judging by that, it could be argued that you should take everything above that – which covers all cases where the weight assigned is >1.
You could also just write all of the depths where the creature has that non-1 weight as the “may appear here”, and then list the one depth where they have the highest odds of appearing – maybe including the actual percentage. Then, add a note that on very rare occasions, a creature may appear on a level even though it’s not listed to appear there.
It looks like I’ll re-write the post a little bit using bits from each b3achy and Pidgeot (comments and the original post). Your last paragraph, Pidgeot, is exactly what I was aiming to do. :) I’ll get to it in a bit, thanks soo much for your contributions.
Thank you b3achy,Pidgeot, and Lure for all your hard work. So many players (myself included) seem to ask where the best chance to find a specimen is and now I can direct them here. :)
EdC: you’re welcome — the thanks should all go to b3achy and Pidgeot, though! :)
I forgot to mention it yesterday but I did update the specimen listing to contain the levels where the specimens are most likely to be found, bolding the level with the highest percentage chance. I think it’s a list/format I’d find useful, so yay. What about you guys?
found a manatee (finally!) at level 9 medium
DIVE was once a fun game based on spelling challenging words that all could be found in an English dictionary. Roomies got 250 tokens bonus when someone found all the words at hard level. Then it was a fun game with lots of fun challenges and quite addictive. Now the game is a total mess with fish and other sea animals polluting a word game, Acceptable and real words like “ego” are not considered words and words found only in a British dictionary are now acceptable. The fun is gone under the deep blue sea and not a game meeting my word-challenging standards anymore as I am not a fisherman.
As a former speech and English major, I didn’t always agree with the original Dive dictionary (i.e.- kiln was acceptable while oast was not), but I didn’t design the game, so I played it as presented. The discrepancies didn’t diminish my enjoyment once I recognized what they were. It’s only a game. I think the graphics and upgrades in the new games are amazing. Kudos to Big Sea staff.
Hey Lure, Looks really good!! Much easier to read, I think! Great job!! A few of the critters don’t have any levels bolded, so may want to do a quick review of those and update. Think Pidgeot’s contribution was key to this listing…much more than my typing out the critters…
Robero, sorry you don’t like the new game. Yea, there are now British words and spellings (as well as Arabic, Hebrew and Chinese words), but it just means that I’m expanding my international vocabulary. Honestly, ‘ego’ has been in my lists, so I’m not sure why it didn’t work for yours. The focus is still a word game, and then after I win about 20 or so games, I can now take a break and group my critters. You still get team bonuses at finding all the words on hard (100 points, but now you also get rank bonuses, etc)…just harder now with the various foreign words/spellings. I’d think you could still just play the word portion of the game and never deal with the fish…you just lose out on another way to get points from collecting them and putting them into groups (and it’s how you get your JP spins now). I’ve had 100 critters in my holding tank and it still wasn’t full as far as I know (so don’t know what the max is). The old game you still collected critters, but it was a random ten that provided a bonus round. Now you get an attempt at a bonus every time you play a round. I guess I like being more in control of my points than the old game. Sorry, it’s no longer to your liking.
Many thanks to all! Getting a glimpse at the math behind Dive Deeper makes the game more interesting for sure. Like most folks, the dictionary is a bit of a poser to me. A fellow diver suggested morewords.com for those unfathomable 3 letter words.
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